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STATEMENTS FROM THE WEB ASSURANCE
BUREAU, AN INTERNET COMPANY.
Compliment from:
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Name: Public Relations and Member
Services
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Date Submitted: February 14, 1998
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Outstanding Customer Service
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Congratulations on your outstanding
performance as a member of the Web Assurance Bureau.
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We salute you in your ability to maintain an absolutely clear unresolved
complaint file.
Compliment from:
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Name: Tim Evans
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Date Submitted: May 27, 1998
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Timeliness
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I wish to compliment
Solutionshooters (Jonathan Doege) for their assistance and
delivery of their product. The product was urgently required
and they were able to get it out to Australia within a
working week from the date of the order. If all OS companies
were as prompt and helpful as Solutionshooters were,
Australia would feel alot less isolated than it does at
present.
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Regards Tim Evans
Compliment from:
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Name: Doc Lisenby
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Date Submitted: October 28, 1998
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Product
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I have tried two products
distributed by Shootersolutions; Sweet Shooter and Moly
Fusion.
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Sweet Shooter is nothing short of
miraculous when it comes to preventing rust on several of my
firearms.
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The only way I could prevent rust
in my hot humid climate, prior to using Sweetshooter was to
either clean every spot
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I touched quickly or keep metal
surfaces oiled while shooting. One treatment seems to last
for weeks (may be longer,
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but I'm apprehensive about trying
it). I apply it everytime I shoot the firearm and don't get
any messy build-up.
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In combination with the other
product, Moly Fusion in the bore of two of my custom 1000
yd. competition rifles in
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I shoot moly coated soft jacket
(J4) bullets. I have noticed an elimination of first
round "flyers" and a reduction in long
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from approximately 11 inches to around 8 inches
average. I recently fired the best group
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I have ever shot with one of these
rifles and it measured .23" for 5 shots at 100
yds.
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I consider this excellent for a
30-cal. bullet traveling at 3000 fps, considering recoil and
all the other things that affect group size.
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I have been shooting in rifle
competition for about fifty years and Sweetshooter with
Moly-Fusion have been the least expensive single items which
have improved accuracy in my rifles.
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- Compliment from:
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Name: Doc Lisenby
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Date Submitted: October 28, 1998
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Product
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I'm "tickled pink" that
Shootersolutions stocks Van's Gun Blue. I haven't seen it
since before WW2. My brother-in-law under
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whom I served my gunsmith
apprenticeship had a bottle of it which he used to touch up
screw heads and bear spots after
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repairing all types of firearms. As
I remember he said that it was the only touch-up bluing he
would trust on the fine drillings and
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shotguns made in Germany and
England. I once ruined the bluing on a Marlin 39 by applying
another brand of cold blue to the
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muzzle after cutting off a the
barrel. It ran down the barrel and left a horrible streak.
My mentor said that I "shoulda used Ol'
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Van's". I'm glad "Ol'
Van's" is back on the market and I can get it in just a
few days from Shootersolutions rather than drive 50 miles into the nearest place I
can get gunsmith supplies (and they wouldn't have it anyway).
Compliment from:
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Name: Doc Lisenby
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Date Submitted: October 28, 1998
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Service
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Seems like Jonathan is an old friend
even though' I have only dealt with him for a short while. He is always
ready to discuss shooter's ideas and problems. His products are "first
line" and if you have any doubts about them, he is willing to back them up
with technological facts, which pleases me to no end. Nice guy and
excellent products--rare combination these days. He got the ones I ordered here
in three days with no hassle--he must have an "in" with the Postmaster
up there in Derry, may be his wife's cousin orsomething.
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BLACKPOWDER:
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- "We did a bit of testing with
Moly [Fusion] this weekend. We were testing with
muzzleloaders and found some neat results.
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With round balls normally there is
a limit to how hard you can push a ball out the barrel
before the patch begins to shred and accuracy goes to
pot.
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We found we could increase the
powder charge from 60 to 90 gr. of FFFg before the patch
began to shred!
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We did a sort of blind accuracy
test.
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We had two White Mountain 1 in
66" twist ball barrels one treated one not.
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We shot groups at 100 yards off
simple bench rest.
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The guys shooting didn't know which
barrel was treated and which wasn't.
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We found accuracy improved from an
average 7" group to 5" in the treated
barrel.
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We also ran tests with conical
(bullet shaped) projectiles.
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It seemed there was a relation
between tightness of the bullet and accuracy in a treated
barrel.
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For example Mini balls tended to
key-hole all over the place out of the treated barrel but
Lee REAL (Rifling Engaged At Loading) bullets shot much
better out of a treated barrel. Groups (100 yards) went from
4" untreated to a bit under 3" from the treated
barrel.
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My theory for the conical bullets
is the treated barrel is so slick the loose projectiles sort
of slip across the rifling and don't get enough spin. I hope
the weather gets better for next weekend I've got some .223
(75 gr Hornaday), .308 and 30-06 (168 gr Sierra) rounds
treated to do some tests at 600 yds."
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- FACTORY USAGE: 2200 degrees F,
molten copper:
- "The copper is about 100C
super heat so temp of pour is 1200C.
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The mold is easily cleaned. There
seems to be no detrimental effect of the coating on the
solidification of the copper.
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One other bonus is the mold is now harder and less prone to wear marks."
From: 7/5/98 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Moly
Fusion and Sweetshooter trials To: Shootersolution@mediaone.net
Dear Jonathan;
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I tried Moly Fusion twice after our
phone conversation on or about the 25th of June. I did what
you told me to do and applied two applications of the Moly
Fusion to my pistol barrel. I applied the first coat and
something told me I may have done it wrong.
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I waited a good hour or more and
then applied the second application. This time I knew went
on right (just a feeling) it looked as if the barrel took on
a deferent color.
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Off to the range I went to test out
Moly-Fusion on Sunday 06/28/98. Accuracy seemed to have
improved but not that much. I had the feeling that only one
treatment of the Moly Fusion had been applied properly.
Clean up was somewhat easier but not what you said it would
be. I decided then that another application of Moly Fusion
was in order. This is how I did it. I ran several clean dry
patches throw the barrel with a cleaning rod and jag to heat
it up, as you said heat helps the metal ( heat was used on
the other two applications as well ).
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I then sprayed one shot of the Moly
Fusion into the chamber of the barrel. I used a cleaning rod
with a 22 cal. slotted tip and a 22 caliber cleaning patch
to paint the inside of the barrel with the Moly
Fusion this worked great. Doing it this way, I had
control to coat the entire barrel.
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Off to the range again on July 05,
1998 to see how Moly Fusion works this time. I know I have
treated correctly now. Accuracy has improved
greatly. Clean up was half the time I usually spend
on the barrel. I'll have to get going and treat the rest of
the sweetshooter to see how it will do.
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My over all opinion of Moly Fusion
- THE STUFF IS GREAT
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Roger
p.s. I treated the feed ramp of the pistol
with Moly Fusion as well. By the way, all this work was done on a 45cal.
model 1911 Kimber.
From: 9/28/98 8:25 PM
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Subject: Sweetshooter To:
Shootersolution@mediaone.net
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Dear Jonathan,
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Sorry for taking so long in getting
back to you. I took your advice and followed up the [above]
treatment of my guns with Sweetshooter after using the
Moly-Fusion on them. All I can say is WOW !!!!
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I can't believe the ease in
cleaning the firearms. I use two patches dipped in the
Sweetshooter down the barrel.
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The first patch that I use is a wet
one.
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I next use a dry patch followed by
another soaked in the Sweetshooter.
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This one I run through twice and
leave the inside of barrel wet to let the Sweetshooter soak
in.
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I then use both of these patches
with the Sweetshooter on them to wipe powder residue off the
rest of the gun.
- I did just as you
suggested, Moly Fusion first, and then the
Sweetshooter.
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I told you before how I treated the
barrels with the Moly Fusion.
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On the Sweetshooter, I followed the
directions on the can, and flyer exactly.
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What a job! Accuracy is up
noticeably with the use of both products.
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It only takes me one-third
the time to clean up after a trip to the range.
- The only fouling in my
barrel is powder, there is no copper fouling at all.
- I don' t even use a bronze
brush any more!!
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Thanks,
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Roger S.
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- Commercial reference:
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We are very impressed with this
product and will begin carrying it in our printed and
electronic version of our catalog.
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Regards, Richard.
Subject: Re: S&W Sigma ???
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From: david.wells1@usa.net
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Date: 1998/01/22
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I had the local S&W authorized
gunsmith take-off a few pounds from the trigger pull of my
SWV9. Giving the trigger mechanism a Sweetshooter
Treatment has smoothed out the pull considerably. I find it
every bit as good as the Glock which I like too.
From: Art London, Professional Gunsmith
, Sent: Sunday, February
07, 1999 9:39 PM; To: 'Jonathan Doege'
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Good evening Jonathan,
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Molyfusion and find that it works as advertised! I
Bought a small portable hairdryer and that solved the
heating problem. My real joy is Sweetshooter. Use it
daily, particularly when I'm shooting.While I'm
writing, you’d better send me another pint of
Sweetshooter.Charge to VISA. Wouldn't want to run out. [He
got his extra Sweetshooter.]
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Art London London's Snellville, GA
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Ralph, I and other Hall action
owners have trouble with Hall actions developing rust
between the bolt and receiver in the absence of no apparent
cause. One shooter commented that it was due to the type
steelused. I don't know but I got tired of it re-appearing
after I cleaned and oiled as I have in the past using
various lubricants and bore cleaners. I had experimented
with Moly-Fusion and Sweetshooter on other rifles and had
been impressed with them in preventing fouling and
rust. I treated my Hall actions as per the directions
furnished and the rust has not shown up for over 6
months and I purposely neglected cleaning to ensure that
they were doing the job.
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I am reluctant to accept
"marvelous" cleaning devices and chemicals, but
both of these live up to the claims made and a plus for BR
rifles is that they don't leave a gummy or oily residue to
attract and hold dust and grit.
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I still can't bring myself to try
them on the lugs w/o the high pressure grease which we use
to prevent galling.
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They may work w/o it, but I just
don't have the courage to try them alone. I did treat the
lugs with them and they do seem to engage the recesses
smoother. I did notice an improvement in accuracy at 1000
yds by eliminating flyers after treating the bore. I just
built a match rifle on a Rem 40x and I'm having the owner
only use Sweetshooter to clean with. I treated it with
Moly-Fusion before it was fired and then went through the
Sweetshooter regime when breaking it in. Another
shooter tried the two treatments in his 40X but became ill
and hasn't fired enough to prove much of anything but
the few shots he did shoot impressed him with the ease of
cleaning.
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We are all using moly coated
bullets. Hope this helps.
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Doc Lisenby
From: LONGDISTSHTR Saturday, March 06,
1999 9:49 PM
To: Jonathan Doege
Subject: Re: Van's: a favorite.
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I'm getting ready for a thousand yards match March 20.
I have a new shooter 20 yrs. old with good eyes whom I
built a rifle for and of course I gave him a can of
Sweetshooter and told him to only use that to clean with.
I treated the bore with Moly-fusion, also the
action and he got several comments from his buddies as to
how smooth the action functioned. He was mildly
interested in high power shooting so I broke out my old
Garand and cleaned the bore then treated it with Moly-Fusion
and Sweetshooter and used 168 gr. Sierra to load it. I don't
know which improved the accuracy but I fell in love with it
all over. I can shoot accurately enough at 100 yds. to want
to enter this kind of competition again but I'm too old to
get in the positions and in the iron peep sight there is a
fuzzy place in the center which blocks out the front sight.
Even so, I put several shots in a three inch bull. When I
kept cleaning it every five shots, I kept having to change
the sights to get a new zero. I just started to wipe the
bore out with Sweetshooter even tho' it got a lot of metal
fouling and damned if it didn't retain the zero. I was
shooting Moly’ed bullets and it still metal fouled.
The pro benchresters are saying not to clean as
often and just wipe the bore with Kroil and Shooter's Choice
mix. I believe that Sweetshooter could be a good substitute
for this mix. I'm going to keep using it and see
what happens.
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On Bluing, when I said half the
price of other cold blues, I was guessing but I know that
44/40 and Oxpho Blue from Brownell is about a buck an ounce.
I was referring to the others which are sold over the
counter in Wally World and they are about twice that. The
guy who likes Oxpho Blue just hasn't tried anything else. It
is the nearest nothing I've tried. It can't compare with
Van's.
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It's 60 degrees here. ha ha. Doc [Lisenby]
Subject: Cold Blue
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Pete my man, I hope you aren't
expecting a rust blue finish. Too many people do and are
sorely disappointed with the results. All cold blues are to
my knowledge are selenious acid, copper sulphate, and
phosphoric acid regardless of the manufacturer. 'smiths and
hobbyists have their favorites for some prejudice or
another. Mine is Van's, available from Shooters
Solutions at Shootersolution@mediaone.net This is
their e-mail. Call Jonathan Doege at 1-800 232 3258 and
order a quart for less than half the price of others. I
first saw Van's in my brother-in-law's gunshop before WWII
and they resumed making it recently, same formulation and
just as good as before, I believe.
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Doc Lisenby
>Jonathan Doege Shootersolutions. 1-800-232-3258
At 07:28 PM 3/23/97 +0000, you wrote:
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Jonathan, I've had an opportunity
to evaluate "Sweetshooter" and
"Moly-Bond" and here are my observations. I had a
new Colt Cadet .22LR semi automatic on which the
slide never did lock back as it should. After
careful inspection it appeared to be a result of excessive
friction between the slide and frame. After disassembling
the pistol I cleaned all contact surfaces with MEK.
I then applied "Moly-Bond following the simple
instructions. Before assembly I decided to apply a treatment
of "Sweetshooter". This was accomplished
according to the included instructions. Then the pistol was
reassembled and taken to the range. My intention was to
evaluate any improvement in slide function during the
chronograph testing and "Sweetshooter" bore
treatment. While firing prior to, during, and after,
the bore treatment the slide locked
back every time it was supposed to. Using the
chronograph made it possible to determine if
"Sweetshooter" made any distinguishable
differences in the bore. The sequence was to clean the
pistol and fire the first chronograph test, clean and treat
the bore with "Sweetshooter", shoot the final
chronograph test, then clean the pistol again. The
ammunition used was Federal .22LR #750. The
final results are that the initial slide treatment
worked and the slide lock problem is
history. The bore treatment
resulted in a 11 fps increase in velocity, a 13fps reduction
in extreme spread, and 3.5 reduction in standard deviation,
all very desirable improvements. During final cleaning the
bore exhibited noticeably less fouling and was very easy to
clean. At first I was concerned about the price of
these items compared to the volume received. This concern
was unfounded as the products are quite concentrated and a
little goes a long ways, a lot
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further than any other
product I've tried.
They will prove to be a valuable
asset for the performance and protection of anyone's firearms. will recommend
these products to my students and fellow shooters.
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CHRONOGRAPH RESULTS OF
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SWEETSHOOTER BORE
TREATMENT
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Before:
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After:
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Average Velocity:
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1144 fps
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1155 fps
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Extreme Spread:
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72 fps
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59 fps
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Standard deviation:
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22.5 fps
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19 fps
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PS, Jonathan, As I get a chance to
try the other items I will let you know, Thanks, Bob.
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Jonathan, Feel free to quote my
comments whereever you wish. The only fouling I experienced
after treatment, was slight residue from the burnt powder
and primer compound, which was easily cleaned up and the
bore sparkled.
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Sincerely, Bob.
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Sincerely,
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Bob Whitney
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Handgun Certifications
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Above communications edited for spelling: 5/09/97 Note: Bob didn’t realize
Moly-Fusion was a treatment for bores also, I think.Ô
could be used on the bore before Sweetshooter, so he went ahead and used
the Sweetshooter on it alone: It worked, according to data. It is a splendid
product in its own right, I think it is quite safe to say, as it can perform
so well. -- Jonathan Doege.
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Air: CO2/SPRING POWER:
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Thanks for the helpful information
you sent! Yesterday I gave an air rifle the full Moly-fusion
and Sweetshooter treatment. I used an old Crosman 180 which
I considered relatively expendable, just in case I messed it
up somehow. I'll move to the higher grade airguns later. My
mains goals were rustproofing and reduction of lead fouling.
Any velocity increase I would consider merely a happy side
effect. With CO2 guns, rust in the bore is a top concern.
CO2 is a refrigerant, so the bore is cooled when the gun
fires. Then moisture can condense inside. The traditional
solution is to swab the bore with some rust preventative oil
after each shooting session. Also, lead fouling in pneumatic
or CO2 guns tends to accumulate and reduce accuracy. Some
shooters have taken to using oiled pellets to prevent both
problems. However, I consider that an inconvenient and
somewhat nasty approach. So, these were the problems I
wanted to tackle. I suspect that Moly-fusion might be
"overkill" for this purpose, and Sweetshooter
alone would probably do the trick. On the other hand, I
already had the Moly-fusion kit here, and I knew it must be
applied before the Sweetshooter if it's going to be any use
at all. Also, I wanted the learning experience of applying
the stuff to a rifle bore. Before starting, I loaded a felt
wad and a pellet into the breech of the gun (which I made
sure was NOT cocked). This I hoped would prevent any
chemicals from running back down the transfer port into the
valve mechanism. Removing the barrel would have been an even
better answer, but I wanted to avoid disassembly. I first
scrubbed the bore with J-B bore cleaner, which is a mild
abrasive compound. Then I degreased with brake parts cleaner
followed by distilled water. To apply the Moly-fusion, I
split a piece of SAM lengthwise and wrapped it around the
long jag of my Parker-Hale cleaning rod. I slid this slowly
up and down the length of the bore for 10 minutes. I noted
that the fluid was not prone to dry out during treatment,
perhaps because it was not exposed to open air. Then I
washed out the residue with distilled water, dried out the
bore with some clean patches, and then gave it a repeat
treatment of Moly-fusion "for good measure". The
treatment with Sweetshooter was fairly straightforward,
although I found myself wondering if I was getting the bore
dry between each swabbing. The instructions say to fire the
gun after each swab of Sweetshooter. I'm sure the
temperature and pressure in a firearm is enough to fully dry
the surface, but a CO2 airgun could be another matter. I
also treated the outside of the gun, as per instructions. (I
found Brownells shop swabs are great for this.) I noted the
importance of emptying the CO2 reservoir before using a hair
dryer near the gun. If the CO2 were heated very much, it
could develop dangerous pressure. I wanted to treat the
inside of the CO2 reservoir also, as this area is also
sometimes prone to rusting. Here I ran into trouble, as I
had no good way of drying the Sweetshooter between coats. I
tried shooting some hot air up into the reservoir with my
hair dryer, but it was a tedious business, and it was hard
to judge the results. After all this was done, it appears
the gun came through in good shape with no harm done. ... --
T.B.
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